Death By Computer?? NEW Updates Air India Flight 171

   
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the Boeing 787 Dreamliner the pride of
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modern aviation rotates on the runway
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with 242 lives aboard with the engines
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at takeoff thrust suddenly the engines
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go to idle as the weight comes off the
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wheels speed rapidly bleeds off a
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desperate mayday mayday echoes then
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silence just 36 seconds after takeoff
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all but one are gone this is Air India
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flight 171 the first fatal crash of a
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787 what caused this catastrophe and
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what does it mean for an airline
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grappling with recent disruptions and
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what might a computer have to do with it
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well stay with me this is a tragedy we
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need to unpack piece by piece with the
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latest facts on this episode of Taking
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Off
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hey everyone Dan Milikin here and I'm
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diving into the heart-wrenching story of
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Air India Flight 171 which crashed in a
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metabad on June 12th 2025 as an aviation
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reporter I've covered incidents before
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but this one hits really hard almost 300
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lives lost the deadliest air disaster in
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a decade and the first fatal crash of
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Boeing's 787 Dreamlininer my focus is
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accuracy so we're sticking to verified
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facts no speculation we're drawing from
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the wreckage the evidence and the
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ongoing investigation and what
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investigators are looking at we'll
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explore the 787's history Air India's
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maintenance record we'll hear from my
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friend Noel Phillips about his
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experience flying on an Air India 787
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recent flight disruptions and we'll
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explain the FedEx system for non-pilots
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the computer system that controls the
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engines and finally we'll look at an
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extreme miracle that one passenger had
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spoiler alert he did not jump from the
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airborne plane let's honor the victims
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by getting all this right and learning
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what we can to save lives
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the Boeing 787 Dreamlininer launched in
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2011 redefined longhaul aviation with
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its lightweight composite fuselage
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advanced aerodynamics and 20% better
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fuel efficiency than older jets
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conceived in 2003 as the 7E7 it became
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the 787 in 2005 offering a range of
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8,750
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miles powered by General Electric GX or
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Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines the 787-8
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the model in this crash seats 248 to 256
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passengers with Air India's
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configuration for 256 in two classes by
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June 2025 Boeing had delivered 1189 of
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over 2500 ordered 787s to airlines like
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all Nepon Airways ANA United many others
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around the world and Air India which
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operates 34 that they have 27 787-8s
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and 7-9s
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development of the 787 was rocky i know
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shocker hearing that about anything
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Boeing these days boeing's outsourcing
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led to supply chain delays pushing the
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first flight from 2008 to December of
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2009 cost overruns hit billions but the
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787's delivery to ANA in 2011 was a
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milestone personally I've flown as a
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passenger on the 787 many times and it's
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one of my favorite airplanes early
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issues included in 2013 lithium ion
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battery fires that grounded the fleet
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until they had fixes and a 2013
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Ethiopian Airlines fire at Heathrow from
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a faulty transmitter rolls-royce engine
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corrosion and a 2024 LAM Airlines
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mid-flight dive due to a pilot seat
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glitched raised concerns but no
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fatalities had occurred a 2024
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whistleblower Sam Capore alleged
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fuselage assembly shortcuts prompting
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the FAA reinspections though Boeing's
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tests showed no immediate risks until
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flight 171 the 787 had no fatal crashes
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or hull losses across 2.3 million
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flights and 22 million passengers
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annually
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the crash aircraft Victor Tango Alpha
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November Bravo a 12-year-old 787-8
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delivered in January of 2014 had 41,000
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flight hours and 7,400 cycles which is
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typical for its age it flew 700 trips in
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the past year including Mumbai to Dubai
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and Delhi to Paris with its last sea
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check in June of 2023 and the next one
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due in December 2025 the Cch check is a
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thorough detailed maintenance inspection
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on commercial aircraft typically every
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18 to 24 months or after a set number of
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flight hours or cycles this first fatal
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787 crash has stunned the industry
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raising more questions about Boeing and
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Air India and leading investigators to
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check out the FedEx system which we'll
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get to in a bit but first background on
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Air India it was founded 1932 by JRD
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Tata air India was nationalized in 1953
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and grew into a global carrier it was
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privatized in 2022 under Tata Group and
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it operates 190 plus aircraft including
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58 Boeings with 470 new jets on order
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including 20 787s its 2024 merger with
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Vistara aims to modernize but aging
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planes and delivery delays persist air
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India's safety record is mixed notable
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crashes include the 1985 Flight 182
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bombing where 329 died a 2010 Mangalore
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overrun that resulted in 158 deaths and
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a 2020 Kerala skid where 17 people died
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maintenance issues have drawn scrutiny
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2018 the DGCA
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uh India's equivalent FAA audit flagged
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inadequate upkeep leading to fines a
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2023 report cited maintenance staff
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shortages though recent investments from
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that merger have improved the training
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in the facilities according to the Times
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of India VTB's
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logs show compliance but investigators
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are probing potential lapses the
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National Security Guard has ruled out
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sabotage i reached out to my friend and
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travel expert Null Phillips who has some
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experience flying on Air India 787s to
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get his feedback about the airline and
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the airplane null yeah thanks Dan so
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yeah I've flown Air India a few times
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actually on domestic and international
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flights on their A320s the trip 7s and
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yeah the 787s too and from my experience
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well they're all a bit worn out really
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even on the newest planes with the 787
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and honestly considering it was a nearly
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new plane at the time it was in a really
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horrendous state on board the seats were
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falling to bits honestly it was filthy
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as well i remember the APU wasn't
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working and um I had to use the ground
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power unit to get us going it's not
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something that is that uncommon but it
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just was something that I noticed at the
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time i guess honestly I've flown Air
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India again recently they were a bit
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better but they've still got quite a way
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to go in my opinion and they're
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undergoing some sort of brand refresh at
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the minute they've got some new owners
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they're buying some A350s and some X
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Delta trip 7s which honestly I flew on
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they weren't too bad but they still have
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quite a lot of these older planes in the
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fleet and yes I'm including the 787s in
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that because the state of the one I flew
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on it made it feel like a much older
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aircraft than it actually was honestly
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it is completely tragic what happened to
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this flight though i mean we have to
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think and be so careful not to speculate
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too much because the end of the day 250
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people lost their lives really sad but I
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think we need to just let the
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investigators do their jobs and we'll
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wait for the outcome um I suppose the
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only benefit of it really is that just
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like every time we have a tragedy like
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this in the aviation world well we end
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up learning from it and if that's all we
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can hope for I guess at least it makes
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us all a little bit safer in the future
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really thanks Null okay that's all the
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background let's go over what we know
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the the facts of the crash on June 12th
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2025 Air India flight AI 171 a Boeing
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787-8
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took off from Sardar Valabia Patel
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International Airport in Ahmedabad at
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138 p.m bound for London Gatwick
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carrying 230 passengers and 12 crew with
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169 Indians 53 British seven Portuguese
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one Canadian it reached 625 ft with 425
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ft above the airport's elevation the
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captain had 8,200 hours flying the first
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officer had,00
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in the US generally you have to have
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1500 hours minimum to get your ATP
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certificate to be hired by the airlines
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there are exceptions down to a thousand
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hours if you go to a 4-year aviation
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university but then it's called a
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restricted ATP and I'm not going to get
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into all that outside the US that
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minimum requirement for the FO the first
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officer is often not required and the US
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developed that requirement really only
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recently after the Kan air crash of 2009
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before that you could be sitting in the
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right seat with as little as 250 hours
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for India and the directorate general of
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civil aviation the DGCA
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to be first officer it can be as little
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as 2002 250 hours for captains the
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requirement is the airline transport
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pilot license the ATPL with the minimum
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1500 hours okay more facts that we know
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in the moments after takeoff the RAT the
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ram air turbine deployed according to
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video the RAT will deploy automatically
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under some specific circumstances like
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both engines uh spooled back or
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hydraulic failure electrical failure and
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some others or it can be manually
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deployed by the pilots also no smoke
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came out of either engine so at 1:39 p.m
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36 seconds after takeoff Captain Sumit
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Cyberwal issued a Mayday Mayday call and
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his exact words were "Mayday mayday
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mayday no power no thrust going down."
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Nine words no response followed the jet
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crashed into a doctor's accommodation
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building at BJ Medical College and Civil
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Hospital 1.24 24 miles from the runway
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killing 241 on board and at least 33 on
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the ground and the total is nearing 300
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the fireball left the tail in in a
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building and the landing gear un
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retracted and we'll talk about that
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miracle survivor in a moment
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by June 13th the next day 300
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firefighters and sniffer dogs recovered
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the flight data recorder the FDR from a
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hostile rooftop 1,000 ft from the main
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wreckage the black boxes are usually
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located in the rear of the airplane
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which was intact and sticking out of
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that building the cockpit voice recorder
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the CVR was found on June 16th
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completing the blackbox recovery the FDR
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logs thousands of parameters including
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FADC systems while the CVR captures
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pilot communications the aircraft
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accident investigation bureau or AIB
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which is India's official organization
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responsible for investigating like the
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US NTSB is working with the US NTSB the
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AIB UK Boeing and GE Aerospace and the
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AIB leads the probe expecting to take
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months one note about the crash scene i
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am amazed by the lack of securing that
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was done footage of the location shows
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firet trucks driving over a wing people
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everywhere if this was while fire and
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rescue was happening I get it but this
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lack of security will make the
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investigation a little harder i tried to
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find that footage of the truck driving
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over the wing but here's a an image from
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that video following the crash several
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unverified reports about widespread
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electrical failures on previous flights
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of the same airliner surfaced on social
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media but they have not been verified
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the DGCA India's FAA equivalent ordered
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inspections of all Indian 787s focusing
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on GENX engines fuel systems and FedEx
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prompted by a suspected dual engine
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power loss air India inspected nine of
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the 34787s by June 14th with one-time
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checks mandated a committee led by Home
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Secretary Goven Mohan met on June 16th
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targeting a report in three months
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boeing's CEO Kelly Ortberg who left the
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Paris Air Show sent experts and the Tata
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chairman called for safety reforms
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preliminary theories include that FedEx
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failure which I'm going to get to flap
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misconfiguration or pilot error with
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flight radar 24 showing a 12 second
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climb a level off and then descent
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social media is on fire with all sorts
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of speculative causes from fuel
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contamination to dual engine failure to
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bird strikes to full electrical failure
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the first people pointed to bad CCTV
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footage that flaps were incorrect which
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is inconclusive and most likely
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inaccurate speculation then everyone
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pointed to the deployment of the RAM air
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turbine the RAT which happens in a loss
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of electrical power but what
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investigators are looking deeply into
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right now is the FedEx system and so far
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not much has been discussed about this
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okay for non-pilots the full authority
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digital engine control FADC is a dual
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channel computer controlling each GX
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engine's fuel thrust and ignition and
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optimizing efficiency through its
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software powered by engine generators
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the APU or batteries it uses sensors for
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air speed and temperature on the ground
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with weight on the wheels wow is what
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they call that cuz everybody loves a
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good acronym fededc runs in ground mode
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at takeoff a WOW switch shifts it to
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flight mode for the climb a faulty
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transition could disrupt thrust
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potentially spooling the engines back to
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idle thrust after the WOW shift but dual
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fedc failures are rare due to built-in
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redundancies investigators are probing
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if a fedc issue during wow shift caused
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the power loss with FDR data being
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critical to this they'll be looking at
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electrical corrosion or other possible
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interferences with the electrical system
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feeding the fadec computer the AIB
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analyzes FDR CVR and video data and FDR
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could reveal FedEx issues soon while CVR
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may capture pilot reactions this data
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will most likely provide the reason the
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plane crashed vishwash Kumar Ramish a
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40-year-old British national in seat 11A
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survived thrown clear from the emergency
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exit near the left wing after the plane
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crashed in the hospital he recalled a
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loud bang suggesting engine or
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structural failure but Prime Minister
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Naharendra Modi visited Romesh on June
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13th who though walked away still had
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burns and required medical attention and
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a stay in the hospital this footage
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right here reportedly shows Romesh
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emerging from the crash and it's
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unverified
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the crash killed five medical students
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in the hostile dining hall as well as 28
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others on the ground as of this report
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unfortunately the death toll has been
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rising by the time you watch this it's
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sadly probably going to climb the crash
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site is 1.24 miles from the runway civil
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Hospital identified 119 victims via DNA
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so far releasing 76 bodies by June 16th
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post crash disruptions have surged on
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June 14th 2025 Iran's airspace closure
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due to the Israel Iran conflict diverted
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AI30 London Mumbai to Vienna and AI 102
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New York to Delhi to Sharah on June 16th
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AI 315th a Delhi bound 787-8
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from Hong Kong returned 90 minutes after
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takeoff at 22,000 ft due to a technical
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issue but landed safely that day AI 180
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faced a technical snag in Kolkata at
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12:45 a.m forcing passengers to
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disembark and on June 17th AI 143 Delhi
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to Paris and AI 142 were cancelled after
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pre-flight checks ai 159 Amedad to
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Gatwick was cancelled on June 17th due
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to unavailability of aircraft from
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airspace restrictions and extra checks
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on X posts they report delays of 787s
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trip 7s including a San Francisco
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Kolkata Mumbai flight grounded in
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Kolkata affecting Delhi Zurich and
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Amedad Gatwick roots air India's 2024
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ontime performance fell to 60.14%
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from 86.5%
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in 2022 reflecting maintenance and
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scheduling woes the DGCA's postc crash
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787 inspections completed on nine of Air
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India's 34 Dream Liners by June 14th has
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added strain and potentially worsening
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their disruptions
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for the victims UK high commissioner
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Lindy Cameron opened a consular center
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and Air India offered 2.5 million rupees
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about 29,000
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US per victim's family plus 10 million
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from Tatada dr pk Mishra emphasized they
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needed transparency a metad holds vigils
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and the 787's first crash shakes
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aviation answers hinge on the black
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boxes we honor the almost 300 lost and
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we seek the truth finally investigators
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will be looking at the miracle of seat
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11A is there anything that can be done
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in the future that might increase the
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chances of passenger survival when I've
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been around family and friends this past
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Father's Day weekend that was the
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question on everyone's mind how did
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someone walk away from that and I tell
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them the truth i don't know
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all right thanks for watching and when
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the initial or preliminary report comes
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