Catherine Austin Fitts: It’s a Digital Concentration Camp

   
Kathine Austin Fitz is one of the most prominent voices in the world, warning us about our rapid march into a digital dystopia.
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Katherine Austin Fitz, we know of digital IDs by the control grid to assert phenomenal surveillance and
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control of people. She is the former US assistant secretary of housing, a Wall Street investment banker, and the founder of the Solari report.
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Fitz describes this emerging digital surveillance system as a panopticon,
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a concept introduced by Jeremy Benton in which the constant observation of a central authority
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endures discipline and control, most famously exemplified by a prison.
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The problem Fitz argues is that this new 21st century digital control grid, this modern panopticon will be total.
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That once complete control in a way that I would describe as absolutely evil. With the technocratic
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tools now in development, it could potentially surveil everyone everywhere
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and restrict our personal freedoms at will. It doesn't feel like that in this nice little cozy small town in the
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Netherlands where we are doing this interview. Yet, Fitz warns that this system is approaching fast.
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So, Katherine, first of all, thank you for doing this. Thank you for taking Thank you for coming all the way. How much I appreciate it.
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Just this morning, I was in my hotel in Amsterdam coming down to the street uh on the elevator and then I I saw a sign
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that reminded me of the interview instantly. The sign was that we are a cashless hotel.
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Yeah. Another reason why I would never stay there. [laughter] Yeah. You saying cash is important. So, yeah. Can you can you please elaborate why?
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Not that long ago, several of the Scandinavian central banks said, "We made a mistake to try and go cashless.
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We're reversing it." And the reason is all around the world, you see these moments of disaster when the electricity
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stops working and the telecommunications stop working. And if you don't have cash, you're toast. For example, when the cyclones came through in New
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Zealand, the governor afterwards stood up and he said, you know, the electricity didn't work. If we hadn't had cash, we would have been in real
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trouble. And it was the same thing in the floods or the hurricanes in Florida or North Carolina and eastern Tennessee.
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If you didn't have cash, you know, the FEMA was giving out credit cards to use for emergency funding, but there was no electricity and no telecommunications.
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Nobody can nobody can use the credit cards, right?
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So, if you're going to have a resilient economy, you have to have an analog option, number one. But number two, if
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you look at the drain on our economy that comes from financial transactions, it's very high. You know, if you're taking out one or two or even 3% in fees
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in every transaction, enough transactions, it's all gone. So I take €100 and I spend it and I spend it again
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and I spend it again and it circulates in the economy. After enough transactions, if it's electronic, it's
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all gone, right? It's a diminishing resource. If you're spending cash, no transaction fees. It just, you know, it
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it just moves around. You still have €100, right? The amount of money that the credit card or other financial
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transactions take out is astonishing. So South Dakota has a million people. Every
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year 3/4 of a billion dollars goes out in financial transactions by the credit card companies. So uh well let me give
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you one other reason. people who who uh spend cash uh are much more careful about their
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purchases and much more thoughtful about what they're really spending and why they're spending. So you tend to be more prudent. The reason I'm so focused on it
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is if you look at the implementation of a digital control system, it cannot happen
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until we're 100% digital. So yeah, so cash is a leakage that prevents total
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physical control or digital control. And I think that's imperative when you have a governance system that wants complete
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control in a way that I would describe as absolutely evil. Um the last thing I
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want is for you to be stripped of all your freedoms by tricking you into an all digital system. And unfortunately
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what it means is that hotel is facilitating the push to complete tyranny. That that's not their intention. I'm sure
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I mean they're saying it's so convenient.
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So slavery is not convenient. And so the notion that this is somehow convenience is ridiculous. Especially when you look at the money and the surveillance that's
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siphoned off because in a digital system you're under complete surveillance.
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There's no privacy. In an analog system, you have the potential for a lot more privacy. And so what you're doing is you
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are allowing your enemy to track everything you're doing and what you're doing and how you're doing in a way that's going to hurt you is hurting you
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now, but you don't you don't make you're disassociated from the connection between, you know, your enemy. I mean,
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think about it. When you give your child a smartphone, so you've seen the James Bond movies, right? And you know who Spectre is. Yeah. Right. So, Spectre is
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this organized crime syndicate that, you know, is trying to run the world. Okay.
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When you give your child a smartphone, you're saying, "Here, I want Spectre to have 247 not only to you and and see what you're
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doing and how you're doing. I want them to have 24/7 access to your subconscious to influence what you think and what you
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want and what you feel. They can brainwash you." And so I'm going to give an intimate connection between Spectre and my child.
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Why would anyone do that? They wouldn't do that if they were rational. Yeah.
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Right. But yeah, it is irrational. Absolutely. It's totally irrational.
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I mean guys in Silicon Valley won't give their children smartphone. They know.
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How to you know explain to everyone uh why privacy matters? because a lot of
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people would uh say that uh so let them or if you don't do anything wrong.
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So can I show you a quick little video? Of course you can.
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So I we have this section on the website called video shorts. Someone in Britain made this just to show people what it
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felt like to walk around in a world in an all digital financial system.
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This is a restricted access for brick card holders only.
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I don't have a smartphone. I didn't register for the Brit card. I'm sorry. Stop right there.
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Another large wine, please.
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Sorry, hun. Your brick card says you've exceeded your alcohol quota for this week. You what? You don't have a brick card?
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Then I'm afraid you're fired. I'm afraid your brick card says you have exceeded your carbon footprint for this month, and you will not be permitted to purchase any more fuel. It does a quite
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good job of helping you understand what the world would have been like during COVID for example if all the
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lockdowns and other restrictions could have been implemented by a digital ID and programmable money. So the danger
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when you add a digital ID to programmable money to uh you know the
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data center AI and other infrastruct hardware infrastructure you need to run a social credit system. When you add those three pieces together you get an
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all digital financial system that implements plea control. And if you look at the guys running things they've been very clever. It's like here's the herd
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and they keep putting up sides of the corral making you feel like it's convenient before they put in the fourth
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one and throw the trap. I want to just add uh one thing. We Estonians because this is about digital ID,
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right? So you're very big on digital business, digital whatever. You see yourself as being in the forefront of implementing, you know, all the
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wonderful things that digital systems can do. Taxis online, right?
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We can go to the bank of course online and uh well even boat uh although there are a lot of problems already there. So
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uh uh this is another issue another topic maybe my fellow countrymen would say well yeah of course digital idea
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what's the what's the problem there what is this digital ID they are talking about that's the thing it differs from
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the um conception that I can do my taxes it's it's something else right this is designed to be a global system
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meantime you have many different cartels trying to be the one you know so my cartel wants to control the digitalized
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e system and the healthcare control, you know, wants to use vaccine passports, you know. So, we're watching tremendous competition
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in industries and providers of who gets to define the digital ID and how it works and whatever. But essentially, what everybody needs if they're going to
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have complete central control is they need a exceptionally precise highquality
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digital ID system and everything works off of that. The programmable money works off of that. The spatial control works after after that you have all
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these data data centers built around the world to basically manage the data for the control grid.
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What are the components of this uh system this digital control grid? What are the components the main components
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that uh are being built? So the first thing is that digital ID, right? Because everything, the spatial control and the
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financial control work off of that. So it's the satellites, it's the telecommunications. Um, including
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massive amounts of towers, you know, on the ground. Um, it's that we have something in America called flock cameras. I don't know if you have them
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here, but basically cameras in local areas that read license plates and feed the information back. The big piece is the data centers because you're
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collecting data in real time and having to then generate data in real time and that requires tremendous amounts of data collection and analysis and generation.
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Um, and that's the p the primary goal of AI is control. It's not to make us more productive. It's to control. And it has
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other applications. But what AI is fantastic at is things that can be uh tracked mathematically. So that's
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financial transactions and also spatial control. Then you have a whole layer of hardware infrastructure to implement
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enforcement. And that's what they're building the robots and the drones for is essentially um you know uh Tesla is
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saying they're going to make a million humanoid robots a year and and basically that's so you can enforce whatever you
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need but you can also replace any human you need. So you know what these people are paid for is to is to say this stuff
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with a straight face. And I give them credit. I couldn't do it. So what is this programmable money? How does this work?
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So programmable money I literally I go back to co if I don't want you if I'm putting you in a 15-minute city and I I don't want you to be able to leave your
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15-minute city, it won't work outside of your 15minute city. And I can program very different rules for you than I
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program for, you know, me. So I can custom design the rules that enforce your existence.
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It can embed rules on where you can go, what you can eat, what you can do. Uh, it can punish you for what you say. It
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can arbitrarily increase your taxes if the state needs more money. It can shut down your account if this if they think that will slow down inflation. You just
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stop everybody from spending. And you can embed highly complex rule systems to manage each individual as well as to
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manage groups of individuals and places as well as you know everybody. So now the bankers cannot just run monetary
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policy they can run fiscal policy through programmable money. If you look at the whole sort of western world
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they've so grown up with financial freedom that they can't fathom this. And of course, if you look at all the parts of the system, you know, so we're we're
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watching QR codes and smartphones and uh crypto and you know, you have all
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these different pieces that are being put into place there, hundreds of them.
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And if you talk to each person, they'll tell you why this is more efficient and they like it and and what they're saying is legitimate. Except they don't
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understand once you fuse it together it's a digital concentration camp and suddenly you know if if I don't like
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your social media posts I can turn off your money and I don't need a bureaucrat to do it it can the software can do it you mentioned China Chinese social
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credit system they have also they have rolled out digital pen I
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understand uh so are they already implementing such a system there. So, I get different feedback from China.
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I just had several allies go to China and say, you know, it's really not that bad. I've had other people say yes, they're rolling out social credit and it's really invasive.
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I follow what's happening in China and I also mentioned 15inut cities. I've seen those videos online that you have to
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show your QR code to get in or out of a zone. It's spatial control.
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Yeah, it pretty much, right? And if you look at what they did in lockdowns, it was brutal.
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Do we understand that this kind of thing in the west? I mean, I feel that we don't understand that this kind of uh thing can lead to that.
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The media is not designed to tell us what's coming, you know, unless that's desired. So, the corporate media is
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dedicated to helping facilitate centralized control. So, they're trying to hurt us into the digital concentration camp. And that's what
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they're paid to do. And it's hard for many people to fathom that the media would systematically do something to
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intentionally poison or kill you, but they do. And you know, I've had lots of experience and proof of that. And the beauty of it, it's not me saying it.
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It's the governor of a Federal Reserve Bank or the president of Federal Reserve Bank. It's the head of the Bank of International Settlements in Basil,
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Switzerland. It's the deputy director at the IMF and they're telling you what they're going to do. This is my favorite one. So, in 2020, at the time, Augustine
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Carson's was the general manager for the BIS. Anyway, so he explains why he likes CBDC now. And I had never in my life
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heard a central banker tell the truth publicly. I mean, I've heard them tell the truth, but not publicly. When Augustine Carson said this, I fell off
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my chair. It was like the first time I saw a central banker tell the truth. So, here we go.
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Uh, for example, in cash, we don't know, for example, who's using a $100 bill today. We don't know who is using a 1,000 peso bill today.
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A key difference in with the CBDC is that central bank will have absolute
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control on the rules and regulations that will determine the use of that expression of central bank liability and
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also we will have the technology to enforce that.
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So here's what he just said. He said it's not your money, it's our expression of central bank liability. It's our money. Okay, that's number one. Number
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two, he said, "We can make the rules centrally, but the most important thing he said was, "And we can enforce them centrally." Yeah.
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Okay, that's total control. Absolutely. Um, I'll show you my next favorite one. Wait in a minute.
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The Federal Reserve is the US central bank and there are 12 banks around the country. This is a uh the head the
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president the Minneapolis Fed. So he's asked about CBDC's at Columbia University. Here's what he said.
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I keep asking anybody, anybody at the Fed or outside of the Fed to explain to me what problem this is solving. And you know, they say, "Well, what about China?
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China's doing it." Well, I can see why China would do it. If they want to monitor every one of your transactions, you could do that with the central bank
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digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo. If you want to impose negative interest rates, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo. And if you
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want to directly tax customer accounts, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Benmo. So I get why China would be
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interested. Why would the American people be for that?
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So So this is B Lee who used to be at the Bank of China at this time in 2023
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was at the IMF. So again remember think programmable money. The third way we
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think CBDC can improve financial inclusion is through what we call programmability.
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That is CBDC can allow government agencies and private sector
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players to program to create smart contract.
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We have a section on the report called cognitive liberty. We're doing a big series on cognitive livery and it's all
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the ways they manipulate people. And I think um and and we just finished a great interview that Elsa did on neuro
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warfare and I think one of the problems that has really expanded. It started with TV pretty badly, but then it went
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to, you know, it got into radio and it went to smartphones. um we're dealing with militaryra neurow warfare that is
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influencing what we think and we feel and so it's making us feel that certain things are safe or okay when in fact
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they're not. So it's encouraging us to do certain health care, you know, or to take pharmaceuticals that are very
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dangerous and are killing people, but we, you know, we've been literally brainwashed. But it was clear to me from 98 on that's what they were going to try
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and do. You know, they were absolutely clear they were going to centralize control of all resources and and you know if you had been on the
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inside you knew what they were up to, you know. So we we tried very hard to help people understand, look, you know,
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you're dealing with an effort to massively consolidate political and economic control and
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here's what you need to do to navigate it. You'll be talked into doing things that are totally ridiculous. You know, we had I remember one subscriber telling
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me about a relative who was like wearing a whole plastic bodysuit to go to the store and these ridiculous things. So
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when we were driving here, uh we were also remembering all sorts of ridiculous things that people were meant to
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believe. And if they were not believing in it, they were kind of smeared or Here we are again. We're just starting into CO 2.0, right? You shut down the
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straits. You bottleneck the straits, shut off the energy, and suddenly, you know, we've got we've got gas rationing
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and and and you know, spatial controls going in around the world. It's CO 2.0.
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So we we did health, now we're going to do transportation, right? We're going to do energy. I mean, it's clearly part of the reset. It it's clearly the next
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phase of the reset. That's what you see all over the world. So at the G20 meeting in September, you had Russia and China all pledge and India all pledging
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allegiance to the BIS construct of, you know, this control system. So everybody has their own version, but you have a
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lot of countries who say we want to run our control grid. We don't want the city of London to run our control grid or the New York Fed to run our control grid.
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So there's a post struggle over there.
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Well, there's a struggle not only between sort of nation states, there's a huge struggle between industries. So if you look at this the war happening right
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now between um the tech bros and um and the banks as to who's going to control because we haven't talked about stable
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coins and asset tokens. The next iteration of CBDC implementation is private CBDC's which are far worse.
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They're far more ugly. If you think, you know, if you think the central bank is scary, way do you see, you know, that
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stuff controlled by Mark Zuckerberg and his it's like really do you want Palunteer running your CBDC?
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What are they what are they going to Well, what's the plan there?
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Okay, so let's let's talk about stable coins and then we'll talk about digital assets. So, we'll we'll end with the scariest one. Okay. So, stable coins,
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the world is rejecting buying treasury securities, right?
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And uh but meantime, the America, the US is spending money like a drunken sailor.
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So, the question is how do they sell more treasuries globally? And so, you issue a stable coin which is collateralized dollar for dollar with a
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essentially a short-term treasury bill and then someone can use that stable coin globally to transact. So, they're going to offer stable coins through the
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crypto rails to everybody around the world. So, if you're in Bolivia or you're in Amsterdam and you don't want to use the euros or the Bolivian
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currency, you can use a stable coin through the crypto rails and and and trade the dollar and transact with the
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dollar. Okay? But that dollar is is not going to go into the banking system that's going to make loans. It's going to go to the treasury which you use it
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to fight the next war. It's quite clever because remember every stable coin is going to be programmable
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and so it gives you complete surveillance of all the citizens globally if it works and you can start
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to fiddle and control them. So what you're going to watch is the US government essentially
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uh using private bank you know so it's going to be the big banks uh are going to be in the lead on this but you know
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and then and a variety of crypto firms use the crypto rails to tender for as
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many citizens as they can reach through the smartphones and the internet as possible and get them off their local currency and out of their local banking
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system and into the treasury market through using the equivalent of a little crypto treasury bill to trade, right?
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Because if I'm putting money in my local bank in Estonia, you know, the bank's making loans and and and facilitating
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with credit creation, building the monetary supply. It's through that credit creation that you create. And if you've ever studied Richard Warner's
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book, and Richard is the my opinion the top economist in the world, he he explains how really good local banks,
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you know, through their credit creation of of, you know, properly underwritten companies creates massive growth without
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inflation. And instead, what you're going to do is you're going to suck all the money out of that and into financing the war machine. What a great idea.
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Yeah. Right. Well, clever. Yeah. So, very clever.
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Very clever. Now, we don't know if this is going to succeed or fail, but if it succeeds from the point of view of the Secretary of Treasury, it's going to
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decimate the tax base everywhere in the world that it works. Okay, you're talking about a mammoth shift into
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centralization because instead of my money going into the local back and circulating in my community, it's going to Washington where they control who
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gets it, right? more billionaires. We'll create a lot more billionaires.
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Now, Wall Street has said, "We're going to issue tokens." So, instead of trading $250 trillion worth of stocks and bonds
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globally through the current mechanisms, we're going to create a token for all the stocks and bonds and then trade it through the crypto rails. And uh
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depending on what happens and how it happens essentially all of that trading can be without all the restrictions and laws and conditions that protect you
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from financial fraud over here in the traditional way to trade it. So we're going to trade 24/7 with low transaction fees and it's going
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to be the wild west. Anything goes and it's very unclear operationally exactly how that's going to work. So you talk to
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a money manager in the traditional financial system and they're like, I have no idea how this is going to work.
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Do you know because it's not clear what the legal connection between um between a token on a share of IBM
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stock and the IBM stock, you know, and and the other thing they want to tokenize all real assets. So they want to tokenize the national parks and sell
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tokens so that you can own a piece of the national park. It's a way of privatizing all the land and resources in the world. You know, it is a vision
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of how you get to the the financial control grid.
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What is your uh opinion of the current US administration?
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The current administration has 6 to7 trillion a year of expenses and $4 trillion of revenues. So, they have a
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deficit of$2 to3 trillion a year and the debt is skyrocketing. Okay. Do you think they're in control?
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probably not. Okay. So, so they don't have agency, right?
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And and you know there's all sorts of questions about how exactly they get their orders and how it works. But you know, they are functioning in a world
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where they don't have control. And it's clear, you know, it's clear that the president is basically doing what he's
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told and and the question is who's telling him and how does that message get delivered? So you you kind of had this show in front where a group of
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people look and act like they're running things, but you know, and it looks discombobulated because they're constantly saying one thing and doing
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another and whatever. And then behind it, you have a group of people who, in my experience, are pretty competent and
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are making it clear, you know, this is how we're going to go. And some people refer to that as deep state. I usually
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refer to that as the central bankers. I make, you know, it's oversimplified, but the the system wants to implement a
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control grid and it can't do it without cutting off the leakage and I suspect that's a big part of what what is happening is about.
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So, uh, currently, uh, they're moving forward implementing this control grid in the US. Well, they're try they're
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trying to, but you know, if you look at just step back and look at what's happening, the US government spends for the last
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since World War II, you know, for many decades now, a half a trillion to a trillion dollars a year. So, our military budget is a trillion dollars a
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year. Okay? If you're running the global reserve currency, there's one thing you must do if you're the military, and that
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is you must keep the sea lanes open, and you must control the sea lanes. Okay. So, we shut down the straits of Hermos.
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Initially, it was the city of London that shut it down. It was Lloyds. Lloyds pulled the insurance. Okay. So, the city shut down the straits, not the Iranians, right?
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And now you have a trillion dollar a year military saying that they're helpless to keep the straits open. Do you believe that?
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Well, I don't know what to believe lately.
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Well, but if you look at So, so the Iranians have been under severe sanctions for decades. Yeah.
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Okay. And what we're saying is a country of 92 million with a tiny military budget under severe sanctions, controls
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the straits, and the American empire with a trillion dollars a year is helpless to do anything.
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They have been telling this to us all along. I mean always when it was talk about Iran attacking Iran, it was always also talk about straight of horm.
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But but let's let's look at the global chess board. The Americans tried to put on tariffs for everybody. The Supreme Court has said no, you can't do that.
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But there's another way to put everybody over the barrel. Remember, the Americans have worked very hard to make sure their energy self-sufficient and they have stockpiles of a lot of things they need.
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Okay? They just put the world into energy collapse and famine conditions,
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you know, by doing this. So now they got everybody over a barrel and they're, you know, relatively, it's what the one of the economic
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spokesperson for the White House said the other day, we're going to use this on our news transit story. He said, uh, American economy is going to be fine. He said, the consumer is going to be hurt,
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but the economy will be fine because in fact, the billionaires should be fine.
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Right? Because what you're talking about doing is creating the conditions for massive consolidation upwards, right? I
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mean, you can shut down every small business and small farm in the world and consolidate upward because the if you've got the reserve currency and you can do
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what you do to do it during co I mean we shut down in America. We shut down we bankrupted or shut down 35% of the small
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business and God knows how many of the small farms and and the the publicly traded Wall Street firms had a field
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day. They made a fortune, right? So it was successful and if you think that's successful where do you see this? Because for the last
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year the administration has cut down massive amounts of you know there are all these different programs to provide uh funding for the food insecure both domestically and internationally.
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They've canled I think most if not all of that. So now I mean now you're talking about serious famine conditions globally if this continues.
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Yeah.
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Cuz you know the if you look at the the ingredients coming through for the fertilizer plants including in Europe
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you know and then look at everything we've done in Europe to to shut down the small farmer. I mean you are creating the conditions of famine.
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Yeah. Well, in Europe, what we did in the Netherlands, what what they did here was uh it's criminal.
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Yeah. And it was it was, you know, on the pretext of climate. This is another thing.
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It had nothing to do with climate. It had to do with central control, right? You can't get central control.
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Here's the thing, you know, because programmable money and food are two sides of one coin. I cannot, you know,
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if everybody can grow food and eat and they have food and energy, they'll they can make community currencies, they don't need my money, right? I got to
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control the energy and the food if I'm going to get programmable money, if I'm going to put everybody in the digital concentration camp.
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Yeah. So, let me ask you, what do you think? How far are we from?
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We are very close and they are moving very fast.
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So, it's scary. And it's interesting because I just came from the states. We were we were working with different states to legislate programmable money.
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And our challenge was literally the legislators couldn't fathom that this was a possibility. The market is issuing
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this stuff at record speed and high speed. And if you wait, you don't wait until you've built the whole highway to
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put up guardrails. And if I'm building a thousand mile highway and I've got 200 miles now, you put up the guardrails now
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because people are getting killed now, right? So you can't wait. And and and especially because what we're talking
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about are fundamental constitutional or basic law rights, you know, I mean, if you look at basic human rights in Europe
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or the United States, we're just talking about putting guard rails that protect those things. And that doesn't stop any
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financial innovation. It just stops the digital control grid. That's all.
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Yeah. But uh what do you think uh our current post be in in Europe as well as in the United States? They for me it seems as if they are kind of in on it.
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Well, but not only are the leadership here I mean the leadership are paid in every country in the world to sell their local population down the river. That's
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what's been happening for decades. And if you think it's bad in Europe, you should see what went on in Latin America starting in, you know, the late 90s. It
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was incredible. And I'll give you a perfect example because I just drove to Switzerland and back through Germany.
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And every time I do a round trip through Germany, it's worse. And um Vanderlay the other day said, "Oh, it was a
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mistake to cancel nuclear power." It's like, really? You think? You think? You know, how stupid are you? I mean you you
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she voted against it while while it was on vote in Germany. She was was also in against nuclear power. I mean it's totally insane.
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It's suicide. And and Volkswagen just announced they're going to be making I think missiles because they can't make
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it as a car company. I mean energy has destroyed its industrial base. It's
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suicide. And I just saw um uh a video of one of the uh people from Germany in the
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European Parliament describing how many jobs and businesses have been lost.
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Well, that's linked all always linked to the European Green Deal, of course. So, which is a farce. I I mean, basically,
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it's building central control and it's it's building depopulation.
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So, you know, you're talking about lowering the population putting the the lowered population under
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complete control and centralizing political and economic power. So it's a re-engineering. It's a reset.
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What are the things that uh everyone can do to you know take cultural measures or
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something, right? So here's here's what I think we can do.
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I think we can build the world we want to live in.
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And I think, you know, I'm a great believer that these uh that this effort for complete central control will fail.
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And uh but you can't wait for it to fail to have plan B. And we have to build plan B. We have to build the kind of
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world we want to live in. Part of the problem, the reason I left the establishment in 98 was I said this
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group of people does not have a culture that can handle advanced technology. It does not have a culture
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uh you know that can support an advanced civilization. It does not have a culture I want to live in. Do you know what I mean? I mean it's it's demonic culture.
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So I used to have this wonderful friend in Washington who would say culture is the integration of the divine and everyday life you know and we're looking
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at a culture which is you know I have no intention of living in that culture which is why people say aren't you worried that you're you know
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you're going to be out and you're going to be like no who wants to be in with that do you know what I mean so anyway
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so uh we have to you know we have to build the world we want to to see emerge
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from this. And I feel as I watch the establishment, it's a little bit imagine if we got in a a time machine and went
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back to the Neanderthal age and we gave the Neanderthalss laser guns, what would
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happen? Okay, that's what this feels like. Because if you look at the new technology which is is here and what's
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coming, it's powerful beyond imagination what technology can do for us. But you're putting it in the hands of
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Neanderthal. Anyway, so uh I don't know if you've seen any of these videos of the leadership saying that they're going to live forever. So one of my favorite
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videos is Jared Kushner after he left the first administration saying, "I'm going to be the first generation to
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either live forever or to the last generation not to live forever." So he said, "I'm taking care of myself. I'm
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going to the gym." It's like or Sean Parker saying I'm a billionaire so I'm going to live till I'm 145 and you're not and you're not going to like that
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you know so so but if you look at what's going on in life sciences it's fantastic you know and and if we had an advanced
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civilization it could be used very you know well so you know part of this is all these technologies are just tools
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and the question is where's the culture that can manage them you know in a healthy way So uh so I think we have to
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build that world and if you come to solar we have a curriculum called building wealth and then we have a wonderful program here let me show you
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that we really love and we started it as a prototype to see if it could work and it's really working wonderfully. Yeah
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the young builder course. So what we're doing is we're taking um the first course is kids 18 to 28 and seeing if we
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can use our building wealth curriculum to help them learn uh how to navigate this environment to see what's really
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going on but then use that knowledge to build productive lives, productive families, productive businesses. So it's
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very much focused on entrepreneurship of various kinds. Anyway, so so a lot of what we want to do is evolve that
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ultimately into a university that can help young people really be successful and build the kind of world we want to live in. And um and so that's what we're
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up to. And to a certain extent I'm trying I'm doing a lot uh legislatively and and with people to you know so our
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subscriber base what we're trying to do is help protect them from the digital control grid and do everything they can to slow down or stop the digital control
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grid but in the meantime you know we have to build forward we have to build the kind of world we want to live in and
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and you have to understand there's a there's a wonderful book called Political Ponerology. I don't know if you've ever read it. It's by a guy who
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after dealing as a young man with the Nazis ended up in under the Soviet under the thumb of the Soviet Union. Anyway, he and a group of his colleagues got
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together and wrote a book about uh uh psychopathy uh integrated into the political system.
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How does psychopaths find each other and get organized and end up controlling the political system? And one of the things
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he said, which I'll never forget, is he said, you know, it would make most people neurotic to be run by these psychopaths.
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And and it was because they didn't understand, in other words, they didn't understand that 2 to 5% of the population is born without empathy.
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Because if you're born with empathy, you can't fathom that other people don't have empathy and they're good at finding each other, conspiring against you. And
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so [laughter] anyway, so but he what he discovered, he and his colleagues discovered is if they could learn that
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there is a certain percentage of people who don't have empathy and are willing to be what I call death killers,
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um they could start to take tactical evasions. They could start to implement ways of behaving in their life that would protect them from these people.
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But first they had to fathom that those other people don't have empathy. And I think the more people can you know if
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you look at who's building the digital control grid do you know who it is?
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I mean um well the porous no it's us. We're going to work every day and building it. And if you look at
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our investments we're all financing it and we're banking with the banks that are doing it and we're supporting the companies that are doing it. And so I
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told you I wanted to give you a copy of Coming Clean. So So our theory on how you build a wonderful world because I'm I liken the centralizers to a tapeworm.
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And so if you have a tapeworm, you know what you have to do? You have to detox it. So coming clean is sort of going
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through all the aspects of your life, your mind, your health, your food, your money, and getting rid detoxing the
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tapeworm and cleaning it out of your life. And that makes you more powerful and the tapeworm weaker. And everybody
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who does that and and shuns the tapeworm, the tapeworm gets weaker and weaker. So if we can all detox the
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tapeworm, that's a step forward. And that gives you the energy and the resources you need to start to build the kind of world we want to live in. And
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it's really amazing because the the thing I love about what I do is when we all get together, because a lot of this
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is finding each other. when we all get together, we have a blast. I mean, it's a blast to be part of a group of people who are building forward something that
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you want to be part of. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
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So, that's what I love about my, you know, the advantage of going out in the wilderness and seeing, okay, let's see who I can find and what we can do
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together is suddenly you wake up decades later and everywhere you go, you're with great people who are doing stuff. So,
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what I'm telling people is, you know, if you're going to walk them down first, get rid of the credit card. Yes.
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Yeah. Or just, you don't have to get rid of it because we need, you know, I need a credit card to travel. Just dramatically lower how much you use it,
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you know, cut the flow of profits into the tape. Of course. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, I think that's a wonderful suggestion. I mean, people should do it and
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Yeah. And I think uh it is a actually a positive note to to end end this
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conversation because that would be a lot better than ending up in this digital goolog.
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So I'm not going to end up in it. You know, you know, I may die by the isomer throwing my phone into the isomer, but
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I'm I'm not going to end up in it. I'm not going there. You just can't. You can't because you can't, among other things, you can't let your kids and grandkids end up in that.
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